Dealing with Hostile People and God's Vengeance
2026-10-29 · 3.975 MHz · 0600 PST
The Bible reading
Psalm 120
The study addressed how to handle individuals who are determined to wage war against believers despite efforts to maintain peace. The psalmist's plea for deliverance from lying lips and deceitful tongues was interpreted as a call to trust God's protection and justice. The discussion highlighted that while believers are called to be peacemakers, they may find themselves trapped among hostile, sociopathic people who thrive on conflict and slander.
Participants explored the metaphorical meaning of Meshach and Kedar as representations of warlike, pagan, and cruel environments rather than literal geographic locations. The study connected this ancient conflict to the broader spiritual battle between the kingdom of Christ and the kingdom of Satan, noting that such enmity has existed since Genesis. The psalmist's response was identified as a threefold approach: praying for God's help, waiting on God's vengeance, and continuing to practice God's peacemaking without retaliating.
The session also emphasized the importance of praying for persecuted Christians in hostile regions, citing the organic unity of the body of Christ. It was noted that God often uses dreams and the gospel to transform hearts, even in resistant cultures. The study concluded with a reminder that peacemakers and those persecuted for righteousness are blessed and will receive a great reward in heaven.
Insights
- Dwelling among sociopathic people who love conflict is a terrible trial, especially when one cannot escape the situation.
- God's vengeance is assured, as indicated by the imagery of sharp arrows and coals of juniper, which burn hot and last a long time.
- The first response to hostility should always be to reach out to God in prayer.
- Redemption can change a person's character and nature, overcoming genetic or cultural tendencies toward conflict.
- The weapon of prayer is more powerful than any physical weapon in transforming hearts and bringing about justice.
- Persecution for righteousness builds up a reward in heaven, as the enemies' actions are actually working for the believer's spiritual benefit.
Transcript
0:00We'll be right back.
0:29For you who have just joined us, we're in Psalm 120 today, Psalm 120, so if you could be looking at that and be ready to talk about that when the time comes, we'll pick up the net and start running it at about 6 o'clock this morning.
0:43So, anyway, we're looking for check-ins. Please come now with your call sign.
0:52And good morning, Brian, KJ7 PWM. How are you doing?
0:59Okay, unable to copy, Brian. Your voice is really low. I don't know if your power's turned down or what the deal is.
1:17Let me try to listen to you on Utah and see if I can pick you up any better there. Try again there, Brian, please.
1:22Okay, can anybody give me a relay on what Brian said?
1:45I thought I heard something about testing a remote, but he's down in the noise, and he's really bassy.
1:54Yeah, okay. So you're down in the noise. You're really bassy. Somebody thought they heard you say something about testing a remote, so if that's the case, it's a little weak, so I don't know what the situation is there, Brian, but we do have you checked in.
2:10If there's any prior requests in there, please text them to me, and if not, we'll just go with what we've got.
2:17Brian, KJ7 PWM, got you checked in.
2:26Jerry, thanks for the help.
2:29Roger.
2:30Roger.
2:40Yeah, okay. I just got a text message from Brian, KJ7 PWM. He says he's testing my remote. It can't seem to get the audio out good, and that's a correct observation.
2:57It's bassy, and it's light. So anyway, some adjustments there, Brian, are in order, but I'm sure you'll get her figured out.
3:04All right, WB7MX, we've got about two minutes to go before we get started with the West Coast Bible Study.
3:10The net would like to acknowledge Lee, AL7KG. Good morning, Lee. Good to have you with us, and glad to see you on the Utah SDR. That's Lee, AL7KG.
3:22All right, who else do we have?
3:26Looking over my... Oh, there's Peter, KJ7BA. Good morning, Peter. Good to have you with us as well.
3:32All right, we've got Lee, AL7KG. We've got Peter, KJ7BA. And Peter says, good morning to everyone. Good morning to you, Peter, and good to have you with us.
3:43All right, and we've got Gene KG7, K7GWR. Gene, good morning. That's Gene K7GWR there on the Utah SDR.
3:54All right, let me see who else I have not checked in yet. I'm looking over my SDRs here. Any voice check-ins? Come now.
4:06WB7VZL.
4:07All right, I had a double there. I'm going to take Roger first, WB7VZL. Good morning, Roger. How are you doing?
4:13Well, challenges of life, like insurance cancellation. If we don't get a backyard tidied up, that's at my dad's old house.
4:27So, anyway, no pressures, of course. And I've heard that you've had some pressures, too. Oh, my. My heart goes out to you.
4:35So, yeah, thank you for that. Well, we'll just power our way through it one step at a time, and someday we'll look back and say, well, we got that done.
4:43So, it's kind of like any big project. You just take it a day at a time. I'm going to meet with the insurance adjuster today.
4:50So, we'll see what he has to say, and we'll go forward from there.
4:54All right, well, hopefully you can get your dad's backyard cleaned out, and all the stuff that was accumulated over time moved on.
5:02And that's always a big job. All right, along with Roger, there was another station trying to check in.
5:09And I think it might have been Keith K7NEB. But the station had tried to check in along with Roger. Go ahead.
5:16It sure was. Good morning, all. No further requests.
5:20Okay, copy that. Good copy there, Keith. Just Roger walked all over the top of you.
5:25He does love you, but he was trouncing you pretty good.
5:30All right, that's Keith, K7NEB. Appreciate you being there, Keith.
5:34And Roger says he apologizes for keying up at the same time you did.
5:40I guess great minds think alike.
5:43All right, WB7MAX, looking for check-ins. Please come now.
5:48WB7AOT.
5:50There's Daryl, WB7AOT, Ham Lake, Minnesota.
5:53Good morning, Daryl. Good to have you with us. How you doing, brother?
5:56Good morning. Just got out of the shower and started a load of wash.
6:01Anyway, good morning to you and everyone.
6:03And have a good study. I'll listen on the side.
6:07From Ham Lake, Minnesota, this is WB7AOT.
6:11All right, Daryl's getting the morning chores done.
6:13We're real good, Daryl. Good to have you with us.
6:16Appreciate you listening in.
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6:19November 7th, Papa, Tango, Tango.
6:27All right, we got November 7th, Papa, Papa, Tango.
6:31I recognize that call sign, but it's been a while.
6:34How are you doing?
6:38We're not doing bad.
6:40Doing pretty good over here in Dayton, Nevada.
6:42I've got to get my SWR adjusted here.
6:46Yeah, copy that, copy that.
6:49Appreciate you being there.
6:51Let's see.
6:52I've got Francis here on Netlogger.
6:54Is that correct, Francis?
6:59No, I got this vanity call sign about eight months ago.
7:05This is Jeebus, Jeebus, J-E-B-A-L, and Dayton, Nevada.
7:14N7PTT, push the dog.
7:16All right, real good.
7:17Thank you for that.
7:18So N7PTT, we got you checked in.
7:20It's West Coast Bible Study.
7:22And just key up throughout your call sign,
7:24and feel free to make any comments as the net develops.
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7:29Any other check-ins, please come now.
7:31All right, this WB7MX, we're going to get started with the West Coast Bible Study.
7:47Appreciate all the stations that checked in.
7:50And we are in Psalm 120 today.
7:54Before we get started with that psalm,
7:56we want to open our time together in prayer and ask God's blessing on our study.
8:01We can't do anything without Him.
8:03We need to be illuminating work of His Spirit to guide us into the truth
8:06of what His Word has to teach us.
8:10And so we're going to spread out our needs before the Lord.
8:12Jeff AK6OK, please open in prayer for us this morning.
8:18Yes, good morning, and thank you, Max.
8:21Good morning, everybody.
8:23Let's pray.
8:23Lord, thank you so much for a great Thursday morning.
8:28This is another day where we all get to witness your miracles of life.
8:33And we pray for Max and his situation up there.
8:36Our granddaughter had a situation with a flood in her house recently.
8:41And, oh, my goodness, that's rough.
8:43But Max has got a great spirit, great attitude.
8:47We need to follow that lead, Lord, with the things that we have done in our lives.
8:50Please bless this reading of the Bible this morning.
8:55Help us to retain it and to understand it fully.
8:59And we are blessed in your precious name.
9:01Amen.
9:02Amen, Jeff, AK6OK.
9:05Thank you so much for that prayer.
9:06All right.
9:07We have moved out of Psalm 119.
9:09We were in Psalm 119 for about five days.
9:12It took us a while to get through all of those 176 verses.
9:16But today we're in a shorter psalm, Psalm 120.
9:19That's one, two, zero.
9:20Well, I want to give a little introduction to the psalm so we know where we're at.
9:27You know, we read in Romans 12, 18, where it says,
9:31If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
9:36So that's our goal, is to be at peace with everyone around us.
9:39But sadly, sometimes that's not possible.
9:43We want to live peaceably with others.
9:45We do all we can to avoid sinning against them.
9:48We behave righteously toward them.
9:51And as much as lies in us, we follow after the things that make for peace.
9:57But unfortunately, there are some people who are determined to go to war with us,
10:03even though we have done them nothing but good.
10:06A clear example of this is the story of David and King Saul.
10:11David was at peace with Saul, but Saul would not be at peace with David.
10:17Saul was determined to destroy David, though David had done Saul nothing but good.
10:22David did all that lay within him to be at peace with Saul, but Saul wasn't going to have it.
10:29Now, sometimes, even though we try to be peacemakers,
10:33people, for sinful and wicked reasons, choose to fight with us.
10:37And there is nothing we can do to stop it.
10:40And the question is, is what should we do in such situations?
10:44How should we deal with people who are determined to go to war against us?
10:50Well, our psalm today, Psalm 120, provides us with some advice and counsel for handling such a situation.
10:59Because the psalmist had the exact problem that we've been talking about.
11:03He wanted to live peaceably with his neighbors, but they didn't want to live peaceably with him.
11:08And as you'll notice, verse 7, it says,
11:11I am for peace, but when I speak, they are for war.
11:17So as much as lay in him, he wanted to be at peace.
11:20He tried to resolve the conflict, but his enemies were determined to destroy him,
11:24and that was all there was to it.
11:26So they slandered him.
11:28They sought to stir up strife with him at every opportunity.
11:31So how are we going to deal with people like that in our lives that unfortunately come into our circle of contact from time to time?
11:43Let's read our psalm together and see what God has to say about how to deal with those kind of situations.
11:50And that brings us to Joe, K-I-6-W-X-P.
11:54Joe, if you could read for us, please, Psalm 120.
11:56Go ahead, Joe.
11:58Good morning, everybody.
12:00This is a song of degrees.
12:02I'm reading to you today out of a King James Version Bible.
12:07In my distress, I cried unto the Lord, and he heard me.
12:12Deliver my soul, O Lord, from lying lips and from a deceitful tongue.
12:19What shall be given unto thee?
12:21For what shall be done unto thee, thou false tongue?
12:26Sharp arrows of the mighty with coals of juniper.
12:31Woe is me, what I sojourn in Meshach.
12:35That I dwell in the tents of Kedar.
12:38My soul hath long dwelt with him that hath hath peace.
12:45I am for peace, but when I speak, they are for war.
12:49All right, great reading there, Joe.
12:53Thank you for that.
12:54That was Joe, K-I-6-W-X-P.
12:56All right.
12:57Any comments on Psalm 120?
12:59Please come now at your call sign.
13:03ZXN?
13:04Kevin, KB7-ZXN.
13:06Go ahead.
13:07Well, get the ball rolling here a little bit.
13:10Good introduction, Max.
13:12One of the things here, too, as we come to a new set of psalms, the next 15 psalms here, are apparently some songs that they used to sing as they ascended up toward Jerusalem on the, you know, feast days or something.
13:31But the Levitical singers would probably be singing these hymns of the next few psalms, I think, through 34.
13:38But it's interesting here, as you pointed out, you know, sometimes we find ourselves amongst people that will just, for whatever reason, be hostile toward us.
13:55And a lot of times that plays out in lies and deceit toward us.
14:00And we see that here as he pleads out to God in that we also see here the deliverance that is assured almost of the arrows and the slow-burning coals.
14:15And not only will there be immediate repercussions, but it's going to be long-lasting there.
14:22But one of the things that caught my attention was this mention of Mikesh and Qadar.
14:31And as I got to looking, those are places, Mikesh up there in Turkey, if you will, up along the Black Sea area.
14:42And Qadar way down south in the sands of Arabian, you know, Arabian desert there.
14:50So I think it's probably a rhetorical expression of how far removed he feels from the peace that he so much desires.
15:03That those that sometimes we find ourselves even in our best efforts amongst those that just will lie and deceive.
15:11And that's a hard place to be, but, you know, as we should always do, our first response is to reach out to God.
15:20KB7, is that acceptable?
15:22Yeah, Kevin, great comment.
15:24Thanks for pointing out verse 5 there.
15:27Woe is me that I sojourn in Mikesh, and I dwell in the tents of Qadar.
15:34Mikesh and Qadar are real geographical places, and as you said, they're widely separated from each other.
15:45But the thing that is true of both of them is that they are Gentile cities, and they're places where barbaric, pagan, godless people live.
15:54And the psalmist, I think, is not literally claiming to dwell in those places.
16:00He actually couldn't because they're remote from each other, and they're remote from Israel.
16:06He could not be in two different places at once.
16:09But rather, I think these names represent a category and type of people.
16:15A people who are warlike, a people who are pagan, a people who are cruel, a people who are hateful.
16:22And it is people who bear this warlike, pagan, cruel, hateful demeanor, which are the kind of people that the psalmist dwells among, whatever their nationality may actually be.
16:36And so to dwell among those with evil character, who live in a spirit of malice and envy, who are hateful, and who love fighting and conflict,
16:45to dwell among such a people and to try to get along with such a people is a terrible trial, because these are sociopathic people,
16:53people who are not happy if they're not stirring the pot and creating conflict.
16:58And so it's a miserable experience to try to get along in such an environment with such people who have no intention of living peaceably with you.
17:07And what makes it even more difficult is when you can't get away from such people because of the circumstances you find yourself in.
17:17So in verse 6 he says,
17:20My soul has long dwelt with him that hates peace.
17:26And so it could be someone's trapped in a marriage with a sociopath.
17:31Maybe a job keeps you around unpleasant people and you just can't quit the job.
17:36Maybe a military obligation forces you to dwell among such people.
17:42Maybe a calling to a ministry keeps you in the presence of those kind of people.
17:49But whatever the case, the psalmist had to dwell among these people for a long time,
17:55and it appears he could not get away from them.
17:58So that is the situation here with Meshach and Kedar.
18:02These are places that are filled with people that are just really anti-social and obnoxious.
18:11And he's saying, I think, Kevin, metaphorically, that's the kind of people I'm living among here in Israel.
18:19They just have the same character as the people who dwell in those places.
18:24All right.
18:25Good comment there, Kevin.
18:26Thank you for that.
18:27Any other comments?
18:28Please come down.
18:30WP7 Visa now.
18:31Roger, please go ahead.
18:32Yeah, I really appreciate your highlighting Romans chapter 12 on that verse.
18:38If it is possible, be at peace with all men.
18:44And I was looking at Genesis 25, 13, which my Bible refers.
18:52It has a mark for it at Kedar.
18:54Apparently, he is the firstborn of Ishmael.
19:01And in Genesis, Ishmael was not known to be a person that would get along with people.
19:09And I think he passed that on to his son Kedar in verse 13.
19:14Over.
19:14Yeah, copy that.
19:16The Ishmaelites were always at war with the people of God.
19:21And so, yeah, it was a warlike people.
19:24And what did it say of Ishmael?
19:26His hand is going to be against every man, and every man is going to be against him.
19:30And so, there is a nation and a people that, from the very beginning, are committed to constant conflict.
19:40And if there isn't a conflict, they'll go looking for one.
19:42So, Roger, thank you for making that connection in Genesis 25, 13.
19:47Appreciate that.
19:48All right.
19:49The other comments, please come now.
19:59Does that extend?
20:00Does that extend?
20:01Kevin, go ahead.
20:03Yeah, very good comments.
20:04And, you know, we do find ourselves sometimes among people's completely different values and morals than what we have.
20:13And we clearly see that dramatic evidence here of that disconnect from peace and what is good and those that would lie and deceive.
20:28But, you know, that's not uncommon.
20:32As we see much of the conflict in the world, there are those that do seek peace truly,
20:38and then there are those that just like to keep the pot stirred and keep the conflict and going for their own means.
20:47But I was just thinking of, you know, it's very common among Islamists.
20:52It's justified to lie and deceive.
20:55In fact, they can be pretty proud of it as part of their dealing with the infidels and as they envision them.
21:08And so, you know, a lot of God's enemies, consequently enemies of God's people, have no problem with lying and deceiving.
21:21And we see that, and it's still just, you know, it's still just, it's hard, you know, it stops, causes me pause when I see it.
21:31But it still shouldn't because it is so common.
21:35But there are those out there that seem to be void of a conscience and really don't care.
21:39They have their own priorities, their own agenda, and will lie and deceive at a drop of a hat.
21:44But, yeah, to find yourself feeling like you're, you know, you're immersed in that kind of culture or those kind of people would be very difficult.
21:56But, again, turning to God is the first step to do.
22:01And, of course, he hears our prayers.
22:03KB7 said, accept.
22:04Yeah, Kevin, very well said.
22:07Thank you for bringing that up.
22:08I was thinking the same thing, that this passage is a perfect description of the nation of Israel and all the Islamic countries that surround her.
22:18Israel's for peace.
22:19But when they speak, the Muslims are for war.
22:23And they are relentless, they are sociopathic, and they are determined to destroy a people who would live peaceably with them.
22:33But they relentlessly attack.
22:36And so on the national scale, we see this.
22:39We see belligerent nations, Islamic nations, atheistic nations like North Korea and China,
22:47who are just very aggressive with their neighbors and who are constantly looking to expand their borders,
22:55subjugate the people around them, and bring them under their thumb and under their tyranny and their oppression.
23:02And that's why, you know, I think Islam is far more of a tyrannical religious ideology with a religious veneer
23:11than it is a religion that happens to have a nationalistic component.
23:17When you look back at the founder of Islam, Mohammed, his number one goal was to conquer and to defeat and slaughter
23:26and bring under his control the nations around him.
23:31And so you have these kind of megalomaniac sociopaths who are determined to crush and destroy,
23:37have no empathy, no compassion, no kindness, just a determination to crush and destroy.
23:44You think of the white horse in Revelation, going forth, conquering and to conquer.
23:50And that is the disposition of Islam.
23:54And it's written right into their theology, and they won't stop until they have the whole world under their thumb.
24:00And they're very straightforward about it.
24:02This is a slander that I'm lodging against them.
24:06So there's 1,400 years of history there, Kevin.
24:08And we see it constantly in current events.
24:12So, yes, the question is, is how do we deal with these kind of people?
24:17Well, how is the psalmist dealing with them?
24:21Well, notice verse 1.
24:23In my distress I cried unto the Lord, and he heard me.
24:27Verse 2.
24:28So what we have to do, number one, in the face of these kind of people, is we have to pray for God's help.
24:43You know, it says in Psalm 55, 22,
24:45Cast thy burden on the Lord, and he will sustain thee.
24:48He will never suffer the righteous to be moved.
24:51And there's many other verses.
24:54Psalm 50, in verse 15.
24:58Call upon me in the day of trouble, and I will deliver thee, and you will glorify me.
25:04And so we have all of these verses that tell us, when you're in trouble, turn to God and pray fervently to God for his deliverance.
25:13What's interesting in verses 1 and 2 is, verse 1 is in the past tense.
25:18In my distress I cried to the Lord, and he heard me.
25:22So he's looking back at how the Lord has delivered him in the past.
25:26And then verse 2 moves into the present tense.
25:29Deliver my soul, O Lord, from lying lips and from a deceitful tongue.
25:34And so when we look back and we see how God has preserved us from these kind of folks,
25:39we can have confidence he'll continue to preserve us on into the future.
25:45Kevin, thank you for bringing that up.
25:46Really appreciate that.
25:47All right, any other comments?
25:49Please come now.
25:55Could it be, you know, it's just the WB-7 visa?
25:59I'm sorry.
26:00Roger, go ahead, please.
26:01I'm just thinking, when you mentioned that, quoted that wonderful verse,
26:06and I'm trying to find it, that he will be a man that will just constantly be a challenge.
26:15And there was enmity at the beginning.
26:18And in a sense it started with, well, it started with Cain and Abel over worship,
26:24and salvation by works, and salvation by faith in God, and following the word of God.
26:32I mean, that enmity began.
26:35And then we have the enmity of Sarah had a good idea.
26:40She thought, let's help God out, and let's have a child by Hagar.
26:46And that enmity between those two children, even, at the very beginning.
26:53And so it starts early, over.
26:57Yeah, it does.
26:58And really, Roger, that goes right back to Genesis 3.15, doesn't it, where God said to Eve,
27:06I will put enmity between thee and the serpent, between thy seed and his seed,
27:12and thou shalt crush his head, and he shall crush thy heel.
27:17And so right from the beginning, we had this conflict between the kingdom of Satan and the kingdom of Christ,
27:24because the woman, of course, was going to bring forth Jesus in due time,
27:28who is going to conquer and defeat Satan.
27:31And we see that taking place at the cross.
27:34So what happens is Adam and Eve have a couple of boys, Cain and Abel.
27:39And one of them was saved, and one of them wasn't.
27:42And so we see Abel approaching God, worshiping God as God prescribed.
27:47And we see Cain coming along and worshiping God as he sees fit.
27:52Because really, in Cain's mind, Cain is God.
27:55And so there's this conflict.
27:59And, of course, we know that Cain killed Abel.
28:01And the people of Satan have been killing the people of God ever since.
28:07And so we read that Jesus says,
28:10I am come that you might have life and have it more abundantly.
28:13But he says, Satan comes not but for to kill and steal and destroy.
28:18So when you see a religion killing and stealing and destroying,
28:22you know it's of Satan.
28:23And when you see one that promotes life, you know that that one is of Jesus.
28:30So this is the conflict of the ages.
28:34And it is going to go on until Jesus returns.
28:39And when he returns, he will completely defeat and eradicate Satan and his kingdom
28:45and cast them all into the lake of fire and all those who serve him.
28:48And in the new heaven and the new earth, Jesus and his people will live together in peace
28:56and harmony and unity and fellowship.
29:00And never again will there be this kind of conflict.
29:03There will be no lies.
29:04There will be no slander.
29:05There will be no enmity.
29:06There will be no fighting.
29:08We will preserve the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
29:12So praise the Lord that one of these days the conflict is going to be over.
29:17But until then, it's a tough go for all of us.
29:21And so the first thing we do is we pray.
29:25Roger, great comment.
29:26Thank you for that.
29:27All right.
29:28I have a comment here from Brian, KJ7PWM.
29:35Yeah, let's see.
29:37Brian says, yeah, he references my book and some of the things I said in it.
29:46So, you know, Brian, I really would prefer not to answer those questions on the air right now.
29:56And I will have a discussion with you about that over the telephone in a little bit
30:05because it's getting into some pretty controversial things there.
30:09And I think it would be best to handle that just between you and I.
30:13All right.
30:13Any other comments?
30:15Please come down.
30:17WB7VZL.
30:18Roger, WB7VZL.
30:19Please go ahead.
30:20Yeah, I finally found the text that you quoted.
30:24It's in Genesis 16, verse 12.
30:28And Ishmael will be a wild donkey of a man.
30:32His hand will be against everyone, and everyone's hand will be against him,
30:38and he will live to the east of all his brothers.
30:42And I think that's the genetics that was passed on, the epigenetics, so to speak, of Kedar, among the others.
30:52And then I noticed in verse 4 of Genesis 16, right away, the adversary was at work to create tension.
31:05And Abraham went in to Hagar, and she conceived, and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress, meaning Sarai, was despised in her sight.
31:20In other words, that was kind of the, as soon as she conceived, her orientation, she, well, despised Abraham's true wife, over?
31:37Yeah, that's correct.
31:38And that was the beginning of this, you know, I mean, obviously Hagar had a bad character.
31:44You know, she was hateful when she should have been compassionate.
31:49She was mocking and had a superior attitude when she should have recognized that she was Sarah's servant.
32:00And so, long story short, yeah, those things do run in family lines for sure.
32:06And not that redemption can't bring us out of those things and change us and start a new line of faith and following Christ.
32:15But the bottom line is, is that, you know, as long as we're born of Christ, then we have his character, we have his nature, and, you know, we have his spirit working in us to transform us and give us new heart.
32:32So, whatever our genetic background is, redemption can bring about a change and a transformation, and we can begin to go in a new direction.
32:45Unfortunately, you know, Ishmael and all those who flowed out of that sad situation turned away from God instead of toward God.
32:56And we see the results of that conflict today.
33:00Roger, thanks for that comment.
33:01All right.
33:02Any other comments?
33:03Please come down.
33:06KB7 ZXN.
33:08Kevin, KB7 ZXN.
33:09Go ahead.
33:11Well, and I really appreciate your insights there, Roger.
33:16And I think, and you're expanding on that too, Max, and you're right.
33:24It started long ago, and really, those that choose to follow God, follow our Lord, and do things His way, and those that think we have a better way.
33:37And, but it is real conflict, and it has real consequences, and it has real problems and grief along with it.
33:49And as I see this prayer here, and this prayer, very personal prayer on His behalf, I was just reflecting.
33:58This would be a wonderful prayer to pray for those others out there.
34:03How many missionaries do we have that we know out there in very hostile areas and environments sharing the gospel and at the risk of their own life?
34:14How many Christians and believers out there are worshiping and hiding almost in many times in very hostile areas, whether Iran or China or Islamic areas, Iran?
34:27Who knows?
34:27So I think my heart just kind of touched, not only for ourselves when we deal with these personal battles with those that would be, you know, readily lie and deceive us and those around us and lie about us.
34:47Let us pray for those on the mission field and those small churches out there in hostile areas and those saints out there that are basing this every day and this very day, and expand our prayers for them.
35:01KB7, ZXN.
35:02Amen, Kevin.
35:04You know, we subscribe to the Voice of the Martyrs.
35:07The Voice of the Martyrs is an organization that specializes in ministering to persecuted Christians around the world.
35:14And they put out a set of prayer requests every week, three prayer requests.
35:21And we always pray for those in our church every Sunday.
35:26And, you know, as you read these prayer requests, what you see is the vast majority of persecution against Christians comes from Islam.
35:35Second, it comes from atheistic countries like North Korea and China, etc.
35:41And then, thirdly, it comes from Hindus and then Buddhists.
35:50And, you know, what you see is we're for peace.
35:54You know, all we want to do is preach the gospel and build churches and see people brought into the kingdom of God.
36:01But, man, the hatred and the hostility that comes crashing down on peaceful people is just remarkable in its intensity and its relentlessness.
36:16And so, you know, what we have to do is we have to count ourselves as sheep who are among wolves.
36:28And we just trust our Savior as our good shepherd to protect us from them and to drive us back.
36:35But, yes, let's pray for our missionaries.
36:37We think of those who live in Nigeria constantly getting reports of the Muslims slaughtering the Christians in Nigeria, etc.
36:46And so that's one good way I think we can pray for missionaries in regarding specific situations is go to the website, Voice of the Martyrs, and look at their prayer requests and pray for those folks.
37:04Kevin, thank you for pointing out the fact that we are in the same body.
37:09It reminds me of a passage, let me just turn to that for a second, in Hebrews chapter 13.
37:17Take me a second to get there with one hand while I'm holding the microphone with the other or the mic switch.
37:24Yeah, let's see, Hebrews chapter 13.
37:28And it says in verse 1,
37:32Let brotherly love continue.
37:34Be not forgetful to entertain strangers,
37:36for thereby sons entertain angels unawares.
37:40Now, here it is, verse 3, Hebrews 13, 3.
37:43Remember them that are in bond, as bound with them,
37:47and them which suffer adversity as being yourselves also in the body.
37:53So, since we're connected with every believer in Christ,
37:57we're fellow members of the single body of Christ,
38:00when they're hurting, we're hurting.
38:02When they're blessed, we're blessed.
38:04So, yes, Kevin, we have that organic unity created by the Spirit of God
38:10with all of our suffering brethren.
38:12Let's remember them and pray for them.
38:14Great comment, Kevin.
38:16All right, any other comments?
38:17Please come down.
38:19WB7VZL.
38:21Roger, please go ahead.
38:22Yes, I, just last night, again,
38:26these prayers that you're talking about,
38:30and I'm so glad that you highlighted the power of the gospel
38:35to change hearts,
38:37even those with epigenetic tendencies.
38:42It's happening as we pray.
38:45And God is actually affirming these prayers
38:51through fascinating encounters by dreams in villages.
38:57Just last night at prayer meeting,
39:00there was reports of, like,
39:02a whole village would wake up the next morning,
39:06and everybody in the village had received the same dream
39:10from the Holy Spirit, apparently,
39:13regarding some element of Christ, the gospel.
39:18So, God is, in his mercy,
39:23is changing through these mysterious dreams
39:27that are highlighting Christ.
39:29Over.
39:31Yeah, amen.
39:32Well, you know, the Lord uses various ways
39:34to speak to people and to transform people.
39:38And, you know, I'm just really pleased
39:40that there was a work of the Spirit of God
39:45and bringing an awareness of their need
39:48to convert to Christ.
39:49And so, praise the Lord for that.
39:52And, you know, I was talking with a guy named
39:56Ibram Muhammad, who is a Muslim
39:59that converted to faith in Christ,
40:00and he mentioned the same thing,
40:03that a lot of times Muslims will get dreams about Christ,
40:07and those will be used to cause them
40:09to pick up a Bible and start reading
40:11and become saved.
40:13So, praise the Lord for that.
40:15And we need to just pray,
40:17because, look, the weapon of prayer
40:18is more powerful than any AK-47
40:22could ever hope to be.
40:24And we just have to believe that.
40:26And so, what we see here is the psalmist
40:29in our Psalm 120 praying for God's help.
40:34And then what we also see him doing here
40:37is waiting on God's vengeance.
40:39Notice verse 3 and 4.
40:41What shall be given unto thee?
40:43That is, this deceitful tongue
40:45and this lying lips of verse 2.
40:47What shall be done to thee, thou false tongue?
40:50Well, two things.
40:52Sharp arrows of the mighty
40:53with coals of juniper.
40:56And that's talking about God
40:58using various instruments
41:01to bring about death and destruction
41:04to our enemies.
41:07And then the coals of juniper,
41:08that's a reference to hell.
41:10And then burning in hell,
41:11if you've ever burnt juniper,
41:14it burns really, really hot.
41:16And the coals hang around for a long time
41:18because it's a very dense wood.
41:20And so, what he's doing here
41:23is he's waiting on God's vengeance.
41:25He knows that in due time,
41:27God will deal with his enemies
41:29who are our enemies.
41:31And while he is very patient
41:34and oftentimes allows them
41:35a lot of room and space
41:37and time to repent,
41:39eventually that comes to an end.
41:41And he strikes them dead,
41:43strikes them down,
41:44and then casts them into hell.
41:46So, we have to take a long-range view of this
41:48and recognize that,
41:49yes, they seem to be winning now.
41:52They seem to be getting away
41:53with their slanders and their lies
41:55and their sociopathic behavior.
41:59But eventually,
42:00God will deal with them.
42:01So, we pray for God's help
42:02and we wait on God's vengeance.
42:06And then we need to practice
42:07God's peacemaking.
42:10You know,
42:10verse 7,
42:12I am for peace.
42:14And, you know,
42:14what we can't do
42:15is start retaliating
42:16and acting like they do.
42:18You know,
42:18they lie about us,
42:19so should we turn around
42:20and lie about them?
42:22Absolutely not.
42:23You know,
42:24do they attack us?
42:24Do we attack them?
42:25We do not.
42:27And so,
42:27God says,
42:28you know,
42:29vengeance is mine,
42:30I'll repay.
42:32Therefore,
42:32if your enemy hunger,
42:33feed him.
42:34If he thirst,
42:34give him to drink.
42:36For in so doing,
42:37they will heap coals of fire
42:38on his head.
42:40And it's the same idea here
42:42in this passage.
42:43We just keep doing
42:44the right thing
42:45while they continually
42:46do the wrong thing.
42:48And in due time,
42:49God brings justice
42:51to bear on the situation.
42:54So,
42:54when it comes
42:55to these kind of people,
42:56let's pray
42:57and ask for God's help.
42:59Let's wait
43:00on God's vengeance.
43:01And let's continue
43:02to practice
43:03God's peacemaking
43:05even though
43:06they do not.
43:08And I think
43:08that that's the counsel
43:09that our psalm
43:11gives to us.
43:12All right,
43:13any more comments?
43:14Please come now.
43:18KG6J.
43:18Jerry, KG6J,
43:20go ahead.
43:21Well,
43:21I'm probably headed
43:22out in left field
43:23for you to reel me back in.
43:25But it brought to mind,
43:27and I know I've mentioned
43:29the attitudes before
43:30and I'm going to bring
43:31them up again.
43:32What did our Savior
43:33have to say about this?
43:35So,
43:36Matthew chapter 5,
43:40verse 9,
43:41but I'm going to include 10
43:43because there were comments
43:44also about persecution.
43:46Blessed are the peacemakers,
43:49for they shall be called
43:50the sons of God,
43:55having trouble reading.
43:56And verse 10,
43:57Blessed are those
43:59who are persecuted
44:01for righteousness
44:02for theirs is the kingdom
44:04of heaven.
44:05So,
44:06there's some promises
44:07from our Savior
44:08for following through
44:10with what we've been
44:11talking about,
44:12and we stand firm.
44:14We attempt to make peace.
44:15as you said earlier.
44:19Jerry,
44:20great comment,
44:21and those passages
44:22apply directly
44:23to what our psalm
44:25is talking about.
44:26Matthew 5,
44:279,
44:27Blessed are the peacemakers,
44:29for they shall be called
44:29the children of God.
44:31And the opposite of that
44:33is,
44:34you know,
44:35not blessed
44:36are the troublemakers.
44:38They're the children
44:39of Satan.
44:40You can just take
44:40each of these psalms,
44:42or each of these
44:42beatitudes,
44:43and just invert them
44:45and see the opposite
44:46side of what's being
44:47spoken of here.
44:49So,
44:50yeah,
44:50we need to be peacemakers.
44:51That is what God is.
44:53I mean,
44:53isn't God a peacemaker?
44:55Didn't he send his son,
44:56Jesus Christ,
44:57to make peace
44:58between us
45:00and himself
45:01and bore all the costs
45:03of that peacemaking
45:04himself
45:05so that we could be
45:06reconciled to him?
45:07I mean,
45:08God is a God
45:09of peace.
45:10And when Jesus was born,
45:11the angel said,
45:12Peace on earth,
45:14goodwill toward men.
45:16And so,
45:17yeah,
45:18and then verse 10,
45:20Blessed are they
45:21which are persecuted
45:22for righteousness' sake,
45:23for theirs is the
45:24kingdom of heaven.
45:25So,
45:25when we keep doing
45:26the right thing,
45:27that makes us vulnerable
45:28to people further
45:30taking advantage of us.
45:32Well,
45:33you know,
45:33God says he's going
45:34to reward us
45:35for that
45:36because he goes on
45:37to say,
45:38Blessed are you
45:39and men shall revile you
45:40and persecute you
45:41and say all manner
45:42of evil against you
45:43falsely for my sake.
45:45That's exactly
45:45what's going on
45:46in Psalm 120.
45:48Notice the promise,
45:49Rejoice,
45:49be exceeding glad
45:50for great is your reward
45:52in heaven
45:52for so persecuted
45:54they the prophets
45:54which were before you.
45:56So,
45:57when they persecute us,
45:58they think they're hurting us.
45:59You know what they're doing
46:00is they're building up
46:01a reward in heaven.
46:03When we respond rightly
46:05to their wrong
46:06and wicked behavior,
46:08God rewards us for that.
46:11So,
46:12Jerry,
46:13that was a great comment.
46:14Thank you.
46:15The net would like
46:16to acknowledge
46:16Will KM5F.
46:17Will,
46:18good to have you with us.
46:19The net would also
46:20like to acknowledge
46:20Dan N6T&I.
46:22Dan,
46:22thanks for being with us
46:23as well.
46:24And then Steve W6YSI,
46:26thank you for being there also.
46:28All right,
46:29any other comments?
46:30Oh,
46:30we're way out of time.
46:31We've got to stop.
46:32This is a great psalm.
46:34And it's one
46:35that gives us
46:36good guidance.
46:37Yeah,
46:37pray for God's help,
46:39wait on God's vengeance,
46:40practice God's peacemaking,
46:42good counsel
46:43in this psalm.
46:45And as Jerry
46:46brought out,
46:47we will be blessed
46:48and we will be rewarded.
46:51That
46:51seventh and eighth
46:54beatitude there.
46:55All right,
46:56are there any final
46:58prayer requests
46:58before Jerry
46:59E70R
47:00leads us in prayer?
47:01Any final prayer requests?
47:02Please come now.
47:08All right,
47:09Jerry,
47:09E70R,
47:10go ahead and close
47:10in prayer for us.
47:13Please,
47:13let us pray.
47:14Oh,
47:15Father in Heaven,
47:15we come to you
47:16grateful,
47:17Lord,
47:17this morning
47:17for your loving kindness
47:20and for this group
47:22that studies your word.
47:24Please begin today,
47:25Lord,
47:25we bring to you
47:26Mark,
47:26KJ7PVT.
47:28He has an unspoken
47:30prayer request.
47:31You know that request,
47:32Lord,
47:33and we ask you
47:35to entertain that.
47:37Al,
47:38in 6MOT,
47:40pray for health issues
47:41of he and his wife.
47:44George,
47:44K1,
47:45K0Y,
47:46he left his wife's family
47:48with cancer in July.
47:50We pray for comfort
47:51for George
47:52and his family
47:53and for all
47:54who are dealing
47:55with cancer.
47:56now,
47:57KJ7QQH,
47:59healing of his hand
48:00from tendon contraction.
48:03A phrase,
48:04a range of motion
48:05is improved
48:06and the pain
48:07and swelling
48:07is reduced.
48:09Pray for a good
48:10post-op check
48:11tomorrow
48:12on October 29th.
48:15Charles,
48:16N7VEM,
48:17his son,
48:17Trevor,
48:18passed from cancer
48:19on October 11th.
48:21Lord,
48:22please give peace
48:23and comfort
48:24for this family.
48:26Dave,
48:27AI7QQ,
48:29praise for Noah,
48:30a young man
48:31in Dave's prison ministry,
48:33now saved
48:34and attending church,
48:36and we give you
48:37thanks for that,
48:37Lord.
48:39Pray for Noah,
48:40continually,
48:41in your word
48:42and faith.
48:44Jerry,
48:44KG6J,
48:46his boss,
48:47Michelle,
48:48that she goes
48:48through chemo
48:49and radiation treatment
48:51on her neck
48:51for cancer,
48:53praying for the treatment
48:54to be effective.
48:56Prayers for Jerry's
48:57physical therapy
48:58for the release
48:59of his back pain
49:00and balance issues.
49:03Zach,
49:04AA5Y,
49:05pray for continued healing
49:06of his vision
49:07from his head injury.
49:10Their neighbor,
49:11Nancy,
49:11needs healing
49:12from cancer.
49:13She also needs
49:14salvation,
49:15Lord.
49:15touch Nancy's heart.
49:19Open her mind.
49:22Pray.
49:22Nancy is showing
49:23great improvement.
49:25Jan Brookhart,
49:26diabetic,
49:26has some of her foot
49:27removed
49:28and is now home
49:29and improving.
49:31Presby,
49:31Ken is having
49:32heart arrhythmia issue.
49:35Prayers for a better
49:36house,
49:37Beck and wife,
49:38Sandy,
49:38are looking forward
49:39to moving to.
49:42Lord,
49:42we bring you
49:42Mike,
49:43KI7RSB.
49:44Wife,
49:45Liz,
49:45fighting cancer.
49:47Lord,
49:47we're praying
49:48for an effective
49:49chemo treatment,
49:50please.
49:52Will,
49:52can't fly this.
49:54Prayers for continuing
49:55hormone treatment
49:56for the next year.
49:59Pray treatments
49:59will be effective
50:00in restraining
50:01and removing
50:02his prostate cancer.
50:04Keisha,
50:05liver transplant
50:06has been postponed
50:07since she is stable now.
50:10Prayers for this
50:10threat she has
50:11in her life.
50:12Prayer for salvation.
50:14Jeff,
50:19AK6OK,
50:20we pray for
50:21the thousands
50:21of Bibles
50:22being shipped
50:23to our truth.
50:25Please use the
50:26Bible to save
50:27and sanctify
50:28the soldiers.
50:30Lord,
50:30first,
50:31we got
50:31Dr.
50:32Christie's
50:32broken elbow
50:34from working
50:34with her horse.
50:35Please give her
50:36healing.
50:37Tom,
50:38WW17,
50:40Tom is recovering
50:41from major
50:42spine surgery.
50:43He's in a wheelchair.
50:45Praying that
50:45his physical therapy
50:47will provide
50:47relief from pain
50:49and increase
50:50mobility.
50:51Pray he will be
50:52approved for
50:53electric wheelchair
50:54and that need
50:55will be met.
50:57Home now
50:58recovering
50:58from a reaction
50:59to medication
51:00that sent him
51:01to the hospital.
51:02Lord,
51:05we bring you
51:05Pastor Jeff Black.
51:07He has
51:08all said
51:08and collided.
51:10Lord,
51:10we ask you
51:11to touch this
51:12man.
51:12Give him
51:12healing.
51:14He is a good
51:15and faithful
51:15servant,
51:16Lord.
51:17Quote,
51:18KI7TRF,
51:19healing
51:19for Uncle Doug,
51:20a believer.
51:22From a severe
51:23head injury,
51:24pray for his
51:25ongoing treatment,
51:26recovery.
51:27Pray that he
51:27is feeling
51:28good and present.
51:31We bring you
51:32Steve,
51:32W6YSI,
51:34prayer for
51:34wife Leslie
51:35to find out
51:36the cause
51:37of her leg
51:37pain she had.
51:39Pray for
51:39a good diagnosis.
51:41Scott,
51:4287YQT,
51:44pray for his
51:44wife Pam,
51:45who has
51:46severe lupus.
51:48Then it
51:48would go
51:49into remission.
51:50Pray for his
51:51daughter Kendra's
51:52ongoing
51:53multiple
51:54chronic health
51:54needs.
51:56And praying
51:57for my
51:57KK7N
51:59with stage
51:594 cathars.
52:01We pray
52:01the chemo
52:02treatment
52:02is started
52:03on September
52:0526th
52:06will be
52:07effective.
52:09Jim N7BKE
52:10for opportunities
52:12to share
52:12the gospel.
52:15We pray
52:16for the
52:16salvation
52:16of all
52:17the children.
52:18Grandchildren,
52:19great-grandchildren
52:20of those
52:21on the net.
52:22For good work
52:23to grace
52:23in their hearts.
52:25For their
52:25protection
52:26from the
52:26ways of the
52:27world
52:27and attacks
52:28of Satan.
52:30Brian KJ7PWM.
52:32Salvation
52:33from
52:33Mariah,
52:34Brian's
52:34secretary.
52:36Brian gave
52:36her a Bible
52:37to read.
52:38For Brian's
52:38son Avery
52:39and his
52:39girlfriend Zoe
52:40to get
52:40married
52:40and become
52:41saved.
52:42They are
52:43the parents
52:43of six-year-old
52:44Alex
52:45and newborn
52:46Adam.
52:47Zoe
52:47has been
52:48reading the
52:48Bible.
52:50Death
52:50if he
52:50takes
52:51okay,
52:51pray
52:52that the
52:53need for
52:54three new
52:55chapels to be
52:56built on
52:57Camp Pendleton
52:57for God
52:59to raise
52:59up those
53:00to manage
53:02them
53:02would be
53:03met.
53:04Lord,
53:05we thank
53:05you for
53:06your goodness,
53:07mercy,
53:08and grace
53:08to each
53:09one of us
53:10and for
53:11the gift
53:11of your
53:12son Jesus
53:13Christ,
53:14our Savior.
53:15Lord,
53:16be with us
53:16all the
53:16things throughout
53:17this day.
53:18Keep us
53:19well and
53:19faith with
53:20our focus
53:21on you.
53:22And we
53:22ask this
53:23in the name
53:23of Jesus
53:24Christ,
53:24our Lord
53:25and Savior.
53:26Amen.
53:26And this
53:28is AE70R.
53:30Jerry,
53:31AE70R,
53:32thank you so
53:32much for that
53:33prayer.
53:33Really appreciate
53:34you leading
53:34us to the
53:35throne of
53:35grace.
53:36This WB7MX,
53:38Net Control
53:38for the
53:39West Coast
53:39Bible Study,
53:40I want to
53:40thank all
53:41the stations
53:41who checked
53:42in this
53:43morning,
53:44as well as
53:44those who
53:45stood by to
53:45give us a
53:46clear operating
53:47frequency.
53:48We meet
53:48here seven
53:49days a week
53:49at 6 a.m.
53:51in order to
53:52read the
53:52scriptures,
53:53understand their
53:53meaning message
53:54and application,
53:55and then pray
53:56for grace
53:56and mercy
53:57to be able
53:57to live
53:58out what
53:58we learn
53:59and for
53:59God to
53:59meet the
54:00needs of
54:00those that
54:00are in
54:01our circle
54:01of fellowship.
54:03I'll be
54:03returning in
54:04frequency now
54:04to regular
54:05amateur use.
54:06This is
54:06WB7MX,
54:07I'll be
54:08clear and
54:08standing by.
54:13Alpha Alpha
54:14Five Yankee
54:15with this
54:15morning's joke.
54:16Alpha Alpha
54:17Five Yankee,
54:17go ahead.
54:19I think you
54:19can appreciate
54:20this one,
54:20Pastor Max.
54:21what can
54:23fill a room
54:24but takes
54:24up no
54:25space?
54:27What can
54:28fill a room
54:29but takes
54:29up no
54:30space?
54:31Light and
54:32air.
54:32Go ahead.
54:34Light,
54:34you got the
54:35right answer.
54:36Yeah,
54:37right.
54:37So praise
54:38the Lord for
54:38that.
54:39Well,
54:39you know,
54:39heaven's going
54:39to be filled
54:40with light.
54:41We won't
54:42need the sun
54:42because the
54:43light of the
54:43glory of God
54:44is going to
54:44fill every
54:45square inch
54:46of it.
54:47We won't
54:47need flashlights.
54:48There won't
54:50be any
54:50shadows.
54:52It'll be
54:52amazing.
54:53So yeah,
54:54praise the
54:54Lord for
54:55that.
54:55God is
54:56light and
54:57in him is
54:57no darkness
54:58at all.
54:59So the
54:59scripture is
54:59full of
55:00statements
55:00about light
55:01as a
55:01metaphor for
55:03truth and
55:04for holiness.
55:06So good
55:07reminder there,
55:07Beck.
55:08Thanks.
55:08All right,
55:09WB7MX,
55:10anyone else
55:10want to
55:10comment?
55:11Please go
55:11ahead.
55:15Hey,
55:16Max,
55:16you got the
55:16red end
55:17at tune
55:17with that
55:17water leak.
55:18We won't
55:18see that
55:19before and
55:20a fire,
55:21not at the
55:21house,
55:22but at the
55:22pet shop.
55:24But,
55:24you know,
55:25you're saying
55:26we're all
55:26together in
55:27all this,
55:28and we
55:28are.
55:29That's
55:29God-fearing
55:30people.
55:31We're all
55:31together.
55:32Because my
55:33wife goes,
55:34hey,
55:34I see a
55:34wet spot
55:35out in
55:35the yard
55:36you got to
55:36look at.
55:37Well,
55:37doggone it,
55:38if it ain't
55:38the water
55:39pipe that
55:40feeds the
55:40shop back
55:41there.
55:42So I'm
55:42going to be
55:42digging some
55:43holes,
55:44Max.
55:45Copy that,
55:46Joe.
55:47You know,
55:47plumbing is
55:47probably my
55:48least favorite
55:49thing to do
55:50because it
55:50seems like no
55:51matter how
55:51careful I am
55:52and how hard I
55:53try,
55:54there's always a
55:55leak and I
55:55got to go back
55:56and fix it a
55:56second or a
55:57third time.
55:58And eventually
55:59it stops and
56:00you're staring at
56:01it thinking,
56:02this thing is
56:03going to just
56:03spring a surprise
56:04on me when my
56:05back's turned.
56:07So,
56:07yes,
56:08I love plumbers,
56:09but I hate
56:10plumbing.
56:10one of my
56:13least favorite
56:14things to do.
56:16So,
56:16anyway,
56:17hopefully you'll
56:17get that fixed
56:18and it won't
56:18be too deep.
56:20You know,
56:20some of those
56:21water lines are
56:21down a long
56:22way,
56:23so hopefully
56:24you won't have
56:25too big a hole
56:25and have to go
56:26get a backhoe
56:27or some ridiculous
56:27thing.
56:28Over.
56:29Yeah,
56:29Roger that.
56:30You know,
56:30anytime I deal
56:31with plumbing,
56:32I realize
56:32something.
56:33You're dealing
56:33with something
56:34that's super
56:35lazy.
56:36Water's doggone
56:37near the
56:37laziest thing
56:38on earth
56:39and it can
56:39find its way
56:40out of anything.
56:41But,
56:41yeah,
56:41if I have to
56:42get a backhoe,
56:42that's what
56:43I'll do,
56:43but I'm going
56:44to see where
56:45the hole is
56:47and what the
56:48thing is with me,
56:49I've got to
56:49figure out,
56:49all right,
56:50where's the
56:50end of the
56:51pipe where I
56:52can change
56:52a piece of
56:53pipe?
56:53I may end up
56:54just digging
56:54a new one
56:55and going to
56:56ditch which
56:57and just laying
56:58a new piece
56:58of pipe,
56:59Max,
56:59probably the
57:00easiest way
57:00to do it
57:01because that
57:01stuff's old.
57:03Well,
57:03I completely
57:03agree with
57:04that.
57:05Don't even
57:06bother with
57:07it.
57:07Just replace
57:08it with PVC
57:08or CPVC
57:10if it's
57:10hot water
57:10because my
57:14whole house
57:14is plumbed
57:15with CPVC.
57:17Of course,
57:18it comes out
57:19of the wall
57:19and then from
57:20there you've
57:20got these
57:21flex lines
57:21that go up
57:22to the sink
57:22and that was
57:23the thing
57:24that broke
57:24on us.
57:25But I don't
57:27know how
57:27those things
57:27need to be
57:28replaced,
57:28but I'm
57:29going to
57:29go through
57:29and replace
57:29all the ones
57:30in my house
57:30now because
57:32we don't want
57:33this to happen
57:33again.
57:34And I think
57:34the other thing
57:34I'm going to
57:35do,
57:35Joe,
57:36is every
57:36time I
57:36leave the
57:37house for
57:37any length
57:38of time
57:38at all,
57:39I'm going
57:39to just
57:39shut the
57:39water off
57:40to the
57:40house because
57:41I sure
57:43don't want
57:43to go through
57:43this a second
57:44time,
57:45especially as I
57:46get older.
57:46Over.
57:48Comment.
57:49Comment.
57:50Go ahead.
57:50water lines
57:52water lines
57:52are usually
57:53buried at
57:53two feet
57:54unless you
57:54live in
57:55places like
57:56Montana and
57:56South Dakota
57:57and they
57:57bury them
57:57as much
57:58as five
57:58and seven
57:59feet deep.
58:02All right,
58:02I appreciate
58:03that.
58:04Yeah,
58:04I think,
58:05Joe,
58:05you're down
58:05there in
58:05California,
58:06right?
58:07So you
58:08should only
58:09be two
58:09feet down.
58:10I think
58:10they put
58:10it down
58:11two feet
58:11so that
58:12to protect
58:13it from
58:13people digging
58:15so they don't
58:16hit it and
58:16break it.
58:17So probably
58:18about two
58:18feet there,
58:19Joe,
58:19but I
58:20certainly
58:20agree with
58:21you.
58:21I just
58:22put in a
58:22new line
58:23and be
58:23done with
58:23it and
58:24that way
58:24you know
58:25it'll be
58:26good for
58:26the rest
58:26of your
58:26life.
58:27Over.
58:28Yeah,
58:28one time
58:29there was
58:29a well
58:30pump out
58:30there and
58:31that's
58:31what fed
58:32the house.
58:33Now it's
58:34on city
58:34water,
58:36but yet
58:36they kept
58:36that big
58:37tank alive
58:37so there
58:38was water
58:39out back
58:39also for
58:40sprinklers
58:40or whatever
58:41they wanted
58:41to put.
58:43But I
58:44just feed
58:44the hot rod
58:45shop with
58:45water to
58:46wash hands
58:47and parts
58:47and now
58:48the pet
58:48grooming
58:49shop with
58:50that cold
58:51water that
58:51goes back
58:52there and
58:52I heat it
58:53in the back.
58:53But you're
58:54right,
58:54it's probably
58:54knowing the
58:55people that
58:57built this
58:57stuff back
58:58in 57,
59:00they didn't
59:00go out of
59:01their way to
59:01dig too
59:02deep I'm
59:02sure.
59:03But to
59:03mess with
59:03that galvanized,
59:04I know
59:04better.
59:05It's a can
59:05of worms.
59:07By the time
59:07it's said and
59:08done, I'll
59:08have a
59:08trench on
59:09top of an
59:10old piece
59:11of pipe.
59:12I'm going to
59:12lay a new
59:12one in
59:13anyway.
59:14So that's
59:14probably what's
59:15going to
59:15happen.
59:15K-I-6-W-X-T
59:18Comment?
59:20Comment, go
59:21ahead.
59:22Yeah, Joe, if
59:23you live in
59:23California, I
59:24think the
59:25telephone number
59:25is 1-800-DIG.
59:28You need to
59:28call that
59:30number or
59:31find out what
59:32the number is
59:33because if you
59:34hit something
59:35accidentally, even
59:36if it's in your
59:36own property, and
59:38they find out,
59:39then they can
59:40find you.
59:41And the
59:41finder's much
59:42worse than
59:42if you just
59:43call 1-800-DIG,
59:45have them line
59:45everything out
59:46for you, and
59:47then when you
59:48hit something,
59:48it's their
59:49fault.
59:51Yeah, I
59:51usually USA
59:52everything.
59:53This is an
59:53old farmhouse.
59:54This is out
59:55back.
59:56Nothing
59:56nowhere near
59:57me.
59:57Power lines
59:58up front, you
59:59know, and
59:59everything comes
60:00in from the
60:00front.
60:01So I'm
60:02pretty good.
60:02I bet you
60:03I'm in pretty
60:03good shape, but
60:04I usually have
60:05USA come out
60:06and take a
60:06gander at it.
60:08Roger that.
60:10I'll pop up
60:11if I make you
60:11steady back.
60:12Yeah, Beck,
60:13thanks for
60:14that comment.
60:16You know, I
60:17was putting a
60:18fence in with
60:19my son, and
60:21we got into a
60:23fiber-optic
60:24cable in his
60:25yard that we
60:25didn't know was
60:26there.
60:27It was about
60:28two feet down,
60:29and we're
60:29digging post
60:30holes, and
60:31tore that
60:32thing up, and
60:33boy, everybody's
60:35internet went
60:35down in the
60:36neighborhood.
60:37That was
60:37really bad
60:38news.
60:39This guy
60:39came out, and
60:40he says, you
60:40know, you're
60:41going to have
60:41to pay for
60:41this, right?
60:42And I just
60:43pleaded for
60:44mercy.
60:45I said, look,
60:45you know, my
60:46fence is
60:46starting out in
60:47life.
60:47He's really
60:47poor.
60:48He doesn't
60:48have any
60:49money.
60:49Please go
60:50easy on him.
60:51And I think
60:52they charged
60:53him like 200
60:54bucks or
60:54something.
60:55But it was
60:56like, you
60:56know, an
60:57$8,000 repair
60:59job or whatever
61:00it was, because
61:01you know, they
61:02had to run new
61:03line in the
61:04whole nine
61:04yards.
61:05Fiber-optic is
61:05not something you
61:06ever want to get
61:07into.
61:08So, yes, well
61:11said, Beck.
61:12Boy, if there's
61:14been anything put
61:16in around there, it
61:18pays to know where
61:19it is before you
61:20get started.
61:21And that's what
61:21the guy said.
61:22He said, you
61:22should have
61:22called us up.
61:23Well, the fence
61:24was way inside the
61:25property line and
61:26never thought about
61:27the fact that they
61:27had run a trench
61:28through his
61:29property.
61:30He didn't even
61:30know about it.
61:31You know, he
61:31just bought the
61:32place.
61:32And so, yeah,
61:34word to the wise,
61:35call whoever that
61:37locates lines and
61:39make sure you're
61:39not tearing somebody
61:41else's infrastructure
61:42up, because that
61:44can get real
61:44expensive real fast.
61:47WB7MAX.
61:49KJ7PVT.
61:51KJ7PVT, Mark,
61:53go ahead.
61:53Yeah, sorry.
61:54I listened to the
61:56show today that
61:57woke up too late.
61:59I had the guys
62:04come out and look
62:06for lines and
62:07telephone lines and
62:08all of that stuff
62:09when I was putting
62:09in a drain field
62:11out in the back
62:12of our home when
62:13we first bought
62:14it.
62:15And they identified
62:17them and it was
62:18all painted on the
62:19ground and
62:20everything.
62:20So I went ahead
62:21and started work.
62:22I had a ditch
62:23witch in and I
62:25was running that
62:26ditch witch and I
62:27took it right
62:28across the place
62:29when they said
62:30that it was all
62:31free and I needed
62:33to go underneath
62:33the sidewalk and
62:35as I brought that
62:37ditch witch down
62:38close to the
62:39sidewalk I pulled
62:40up all of the,
62:41in fact in the
62:4280s, all of the
62:44phone wires in the
62:46neighborhood that
62:47came right up and
62:48just got pulled up
62:49by that huge
62:50ditch witch chainsaw
62:53that was going on
62:54and they came in
62:55and fixed it all.
62:57I didn't have to
62:58touch it, but boy,
62:58that would have
62:59been amazing as
63:00well.
63:00Back to you.
63:05Yeah, for those of
63:06you who couldn't
63:06hear, Mark was just
63:07saying that he had
63:09the identifiers,
63:10people come out and
63:11they marked all the
63:12places where the
63:13lines were and so he
63:15was running a ditch
63:15witch in the area
63:16where they said it
63:17was free and clear
63:18and he got into
63:20the whole neighborhood
63:21phone lines
63:21underground and
63:22tore them up.
63:23But he was covered
63:24because they didn't
63:26identify them as
63:27being there so he
63:28didn't have to pay.
63:29But yeah, that's a
63:34major problem.
63:35Mark, thanks for
63:35sharing your experience
63:36about not having to
63:38pay for tore up
63:39phone lines because
63:40you did do the ID
63:41service.
63:42All right, anyone
63:43else want to chat?
63:43Please come with
63:44your call sign.
63:45Hi, Joe, go ahead.
63:51Right there where
63:52my tower is located,
63:54I had everything
63:54USA back there and
63:56that's why I know
63:57where to dig because
63:58there's nothing over
63:59where I need that
64:00water pipe.
64:01But the guy checked
64:02the whole yard.
64:02I had him do it.
64:04And anyway, I started
64:05digging.
64:06There's all these
64:07little orange pipes,
64:08white ones, gray
64:09ones.
64:10I go, holy moly, I
64:11couldn't have centered
64:12it better if I had a
64:13blueprint.
64:13Well, I called the
64:16guy back.
64:16He goes, man, this
64:17is stuff the homeowner
64:18put in for the pull
64:20that used to be there.
64:21I said, I agree.
64:22He goes, you have a
64:23saw?
64:23I go, I got it
64:24handled.
64:24I'll see you later.
64:29Yeah, yeah.
64:30Well, when private
64:31people put stuff in,
64:32there's no charting
64:33of that.
64:33The only thing that's
64:34charted is public
64:35utilities like gas,
64:37water, a phone,
64:40fiber optic, you
64:41know, internet, that
64:42kind of stuff.
64:43What private people
64:44do is not chart it
64:46out.